http://www.infowars.com/articles/ww3/israel_sends_troops_into_lebanon.htm

Claim: USCENTCOM Sergeant Blows Whistle On 9/11 Inside Job
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/uscentcom_seargent_blows_whistle_on_911_inside_job.htm

Sergeant Lauro “LJ” Chavez, 9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out to the Editor of the Cincinnati Post
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/whistleblower_chavez_speaks_out_to_editor_cincinnati_post.htm

The latest PsyOp?

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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject:
Fintan, I’m sure you are familiar with parapsychology research and precognition phenomena.While I find your analysis of The Coup cover to be worthy of consideration, how do you weigh the possibilities between a PsyOp and a PsiOp?I know at least 3 people who personally had what most would conisder precognitive dreams of 911 either the morning of the event or in weeks prior. In my research on “911 fore-knowledge” I’ve found lots of evidence for paranormal and parapolitical presentiment of the attacks: DreamPodcast #2 – Premonitions of 911: http://www.elfis.net/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=44&t=44 Paranormal instances range from precog dreams, waking visions, to the parapsychological data from scientists like Dean Radin and the Global Consciousness Project folks at noosphere.princeton.edu and other examples. The previously mentioned album covers as well as other artistic expressions have also been noted. Parapolitical instances of witnesses / evidence indicating probable fore-knowledge include parapolitical researcher John Judge’s fellow researcher and American Airlines stewardess, “T. Carter”, who says she saw the hijackers casing her plane before 911. The previously cited John Woods example has been around since 2002 and note that Woods was “rewarded” for his support of the MSM 911 Myth by his getting to play the role of Rudolph Gulliani in the post-911 made for tv movie about the mayor. Anyway … here are a couple of posts I did some time back about the intersection of “real” precognitive 911 stuff and the possibilities inherant in the knowledge that Intel agencies have used both “real” and fake psychics as outlets for disinfo: Re: The Lone Gunmen Prophecy Hi Kenn (Thomas), I absolutely agree with your assertion that these shows have stolen ideas from the research of you and our mutual friends. Having worked at the computer game company ORIGIN Systems ten years ago I know very well that there are Forteans and ParaPolitically minded creative types within the industry who get their inspiration from the pages of yours and others books and research. And I wasn’t suggesting one had to be psychic to precognitively grok the planes into buildings meme. I was simply citing evidence that suggests that psychics (whether real or fake) have been used as intelligence assetts by the US Govt to seed disinfo and to gain info from their confidantes and clients: “Psychic Jeane Dixon Was FBI Stooge” http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/sixties-l/2335.html [I have the archived html and FOIA docs saved at home) I’m well aware of the pre-911 imagery and news reports involving planes as missiles and planes into buildings: “A man, drives a plane, into the Chrysler building” – Lyric from the song “Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago” by the band Soul Coughing, released in September 1994. http://www.parapolitics.info/media/911podcast050826.mp3 Hip Hop Band THE COUP album cover (no planes) http://www.elfis.net/images/911images/coup-cover-300.jpg This suggestive German album cover (with planes near WTC) http://www.elfis.net/images/911images/foreseeing_the_future.jpg And this suggestive Pre-911 Computer game box fro “RED ALERT 2″ (with planes near WTC) http://www.parapolitics.info/images/ra2box_0002pre911.jpg The various pre 911 “WTC as Target” report covers http://www.parapolitics.info/images/wtctargetpre911.jpg The Austin, Texas based Steve Jackson Games pre 911 “Illuminati” card game cards http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/WTCcardgame.jpg http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/wtcpentagoncardgame.jpg And this cartoonists bit (not sure if this is pre 911) http://www.parapolitics.info/images/911/wtc.gif I’ve also seen pics of a calendar that was printed in Asia that featured a drawing of a plane flying towards the twin towers and of course there is this strange pic on a refridgerator in a GE advert from an Italian magazine circa April 2001: http://www.metatech.org/Images/ge-ad.gif There was also the November 1993 Hustler Magazine pic obviously inspired by the first WTC (FBI enabled) attack: http://www.metatech.org/Images/WTC%20&%201993%20Hustler%20Mag.jpg However, I am unaware of any Bruce Willis movies dealing with that theme directly (The first Die Hard movie featured helicopters accidentally slamming into buildings, as did The Matrix and other films. Die Hard 2 featured the switching of transponders to cause airliners to crash which is apparently an old intel trick). SMiles AND … The thing about this Lone Gunmen pilot episode is that nearly precisely mirrors at least one varient of the 911 conspiracy theory: that the planes were remotely piloted in a false flag “terror attack” whose impetus was American Police State and American Hegemony at the behest of the MICkey Complex. And according to actor Dean Haglund, he was told by Chris Carter that a Hollywood psychic had fessed up to being used by Intel assets to seed hollywood writers with script ideas: “Haglund stated that after years of writing the X-files, the FBI and NASA would approach Chris Carter with plots for stories. He also discussed the fact that the CIA have since the 80′s hired informants posting as psychics to attend Hollywood parties and report back the the CIA on general trends and talking points.” http://www.prisonplanet.tv/video/120105haglundteaserwmbb.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/151205deanhaglund.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/161205Haglund.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/301205deanhaglund.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/171204haglund.htm http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_lonegumen.html Recall also the news articles about psychic Jean Dixon being used by the Intel community to seed disinformation … AND … The Precognitive Visions of ParaPolitical Researcher Alex Jones Austin, Texas – Today marks only the second time this author has heard local radioshow host, parapolitical researcher and documentary filmmaker Alex Jones admit to his life-long history of prophetic, or precognitive, dreams. http://www.elfis.net/2006/05/15.html

Rumpl4skn, I’m suggesting nothing of the sort.As someone who researches anomalous information transfer (aka ESP) I can’t help but ask these questions.

While I see the scientific evidence for psi phenomena to be real and convincing, I cited examples of claims of intel operatives using claimed psychics for intel purposes.

My point is … despite the intriguing info uncovered by Fintan about THE COUP cover, it may be just as likely that someone like Boots is a creative minded person familiar with COINTELPRO covert ops etc enough to put these items in place in the cover album and there is no real psyop here. Then again, it could very well be so. I’ve worked for musicians and computer game designers and they are into conspiracy research, paranormal phenomena etc etc. so it’s not unreasonable to think it is at least possible that that is all that is involved in these many instances.

And since Fintan is someone who advances metaphysical discussions with his TreeIncarnations ideas (http://breakfornews.com/forum/index.php?c=2) I didn’t think it was unreasonable or distracting to point out this other info.

SMiles

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject:
Rumpl4skn wrote: elfis,Apologies if I was overly sarcastic there (I’m drinking half-decaf now). I’m just overloaded with the mind games I see being played in regards to 9/11, and I was (not so eagerly) awaiting when the paranormal card would be sincerely played, as I’m sure it will be increasingly used to pollute clear analysis, along with other non-debatable misdirections. I’m not suggesting you did that. I just value the integrity of this forum, and I’m leery of seeing aliens, holocaust denial or Uri Gellerisms to enter into the equations – despite what I’ve seen as the “Occam’s Razor” justification of such tripe on other boards. Call me old fashioned. Thanks Rumpl4skn. I am fully aware of the dangers and fears of folks regarding the ingression of the paranormal and UFOs into the debate. But as someone who came to know ParaPolitics Blvd by way of the other back alley of “para” research I can’t help but draw upon those years of research in my exploration of these topics. And I’ve been called a debunker and a believer by different folks in the same day … I’ve also been called a CIA agent on a few occassions but that comes with the territory. I really like Fintan’s approach, ideas and analysis generally. I often recommend him to folks for a “non-CIA Fakes” perspective. But I still find much of his analysis lacking definitive evidence as it mostly often hinges upon interpretation of the end results of the items being analyzed and … dare I say it … like para phenomena such analysis can be easily dismissed by others less fluent in the big-picture or without a proper context and level of background knowledge. Again, I try to keep my discussions of para subjects separate except when I decide to focus on either thru the lense of the other. But in the case of pre-conditioning imagery related to 911, as someone who studies “anomalies” I think it must be kept in mind that there ARE other possible factors at work that make difficult a definitive analysis of a supposed PsyOp like the COUP COVER unless we have extremely hard evidence for connections to psychological warfare operatives. Certainly Boots connections should be explored and certainly what Fintan has posted is suggestive of the need for further research. But I often wonder what Fintan’s views are on other areas such as parapsychology, remote viewing, etc. since he has at least occassionally passed verdict on everything from the nature of reality (with his TreeIncarnation series) to Crop Circles*. * = FIRST CONTACT: CHILBOLTON ET MESSAGE DECODED 24-27th August, 2001 http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_reply.htm http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_1999.htm http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/chilbolton_the_verdict.htm WAS CHILBOLTON AN ET CONTACT? THE VERDICT. by Fintan Dunne, coEditor PsyOpNews.com 6/7 September 2001 “With a military high-tech source unlikely, we turn in PART IV to the scalar techniques that an alien intelligence could have used to telepathically or mechanically beam the glyphs through hyperspace. Science fiction? Not, really. Based on our latest understanding of relativity and dark matter, its quite concievable. As we will see. CONTINUED IN PART IV SHORTLY” There was supposed to be a Part IV but then 911 happened and to my knowledge Fintan never completed that series. Fintan was going in some interesting directions … but perhaps this was just a prepatory piece before he busted the scam wide open a la the CIA FAKES ruse. Anway … thanks for the apologies. I’m sorry if I wasn’t more clear about my interests or intent in adding to this thread. SMiles

I certainly agree that most of the conspiracy sites out there are pushing FEAR but ya know what … fear is a valid human emotion that very often spurs people into action. It does get dull and draining day in and day out.

But that alone does not qualify a website as being a CIA fake.

As for this non-issue of PsyOps posters on RENSE dot com … Fintan, most of the posters you cite are from this very old gallery here:

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html
http://micahwright.com/bio.htm

So if you want to prove your contention that these posters are part of a PsyOp why don’t you start by finding actual evidence that their creator is now or once was an intel assett.

sMiles

moylan wrote:

Quote: They’re all facets of someone’s experience and worthwhile topics for discussion. That’s a value judgement, and not one with which many people would agree. They may strike some people as worthwhile topics for discussion, but not in the context of serious issues, which UFO sightings and abductions really aren’t. If you think that “political rants” are going to do any good, there must be some delusion virus circulating.

Yeah, that’s why Fintan keeps his metaphysical stuff on http://www.treeincarnation.com and not http://www.breakfornews.com and why I generally encourage keeping them seperate on my own websites. However, there can be much cross-over; for instance, it was my research into UFOs that lead me to ParaPolitics. As you research the govt and mils reactions to UFOs you immediately become aware of govt cover-ups and conspiracy and PsyOps. As you go from strictly UFO related research to Close Encounters and Abduction phenomena you inevitably come up against information about the CIA’s MK-Ultra programs and from their it’s a hop-skip-and-jump to full blown parapolitical intrigue. So the two can easily be linked and related. I don’t necessarily fault websites for mixing the two. I would more likely fault a website for HOW they mix the subjects.

I really like a lot of Fintan’s work, both his parapolitical and metaphysical stuff. I just am getting tired of him not following through (enough for my tastes) on his assertions about his CIA Fakes List. The commentary I see about this list from his readers seems more balanced and informed than his “evidence”. Like several of his skeptical fans, I keep waiting for more of his “research” and “evidence” to back his assertions.

I certainly agree on others’ analyses of the Fear Factor being manipulated to keep people from becoming activists but I think that same Fear Mongering CAN and DOES often motivate people to get involved or to atleast start asking more questions about everything.

I live in Austin and I’ve met Alex Jones several times and am not convinced that he is a paid agent. To the contrary, I think he is all too human and prone to human foibles … as is Fintan, myself and everyone else attempting to grapple with this increasingly Twilight Zonish surReality we find ourselves in.

Peace Out!

SMiles

One final note …I had forgotten this interesting fact – Fintan himself has used at least one of this artist’s Propaganda Redux Posters (or at least the source material and same idea) on his own site for at least a few years now … since at least February of 2003:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030202134947/http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/

Goto Fintan Dunne dot com, scroll down to the Sick of Doctors website link.
http://www.fintandunne.com
There it is … you can click on the link to the Sick of Doctors website to see it again on that site’s entrance.

http://www.breakfornews.com/images/sickofdoctors.jpg

http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com
http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/images/sickofdoctors.gif

You can find the image that Fintan used here:

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.cv/leperous/Sites/.Pictures/reporter.jpg-thumb_105_140.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/reporter.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html
http://micahwright.com/bio.htm

So, I guess that makes Fintan a CIA FAKE and guilty of Fear Mongering PsyOps like Rense, Alex and the rest. <wink>

SMiles